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	<title>Comments on: Eastlink: Dandenong Creek trail upgrade &#8211; complete!!</title>
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	<description>Work is just something I do between bike rides</description>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/10/19/eastlink-dandenong-creek-trail-upgrade-complete/comment-page-1/#comment-1025</link>
		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you duplicated the suspended path on the north side of the creek, the money spent on the proposed bridge to the east of Glenferrie Rd could be spent on the path duplication, as that bridge would no longer be required. ie heading into the CBD cyclists would just stay on the north side with a ramp down to a new underpass at Glenferrie Rd. Of course there is the cost of the path and an additional bridge over the Yarra is still required but a lot more peds and cyclists would be a lot more happier. More problems are resolved simultaneously.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Out of interest if there were two paths hanging under the tollway, how would you prefer they be used?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) both paths have cyclists and peds ie simple duplication of existing arrangement
2) each path is one way ie one is inbound to the cbd and one outbound from the cbd; paths are used by cyclists and peds all going the same way
3) Peds use one path and cyclists use the other and both paths are bidirectional&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And would every be possible to get people to follow the rules, if 2 or 3 was your preference?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you duplicated the suspended path on the north side of the creek, the money spent on the proposed bridge to the east of Glenferrie Rd could be spent on the path duplication, as that bridge would no longer be required. ie heading into the CBD cyclists would just stay on the north side with a ramp down to a new underpass at Glenferrie Rd. Of course there is the cost of the path and an additional bridge over the Yarra is still required but a lot more peds and cyclists would be a lot more happier. More problems are resolved simultaneously.</p>

<p>Out of interest if there were two paths hanging under the tollway, how would you prefer they be used?</p>

<p>1) both paths have cyclists and peds ie simple duplication of existing arrangement
2) each path is one way ie one is inbound to the cbd and one outbound from the cbd; paths are used by cyclists and peds all going the same way
3) Peds use one path and cyclists use the other and both paths are bidirectional</p>

<p>And would every be possible to get people to follow the rules, if 2 or 3 was your preference?</p>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree. That&#039;s a bottleneck on the bridge at Glenferrie Rd, and I&#039;m sure plenty of non-cyclists aren&#039;t aware that it&#039;s actually designated as a shared pathway. In any case, the conflicts here could be avoided by a well-placed bridge, and I&#039;ve often thought it was quite a do-able thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nice idea about an extra lane on the suspended pathway too.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. That&#8217;s a bottleneck on the bridge at Glenferrie Rd, and I&#8217;m sure plenty of non-cyclists aren&#8217;t aware that it&#8217;s actually designated as a shared pathway. In any case, the conflicts here could be avoided by a well-placed bridge, and I&#8217;ve often thought it was quite a do-able thing.</p>

<p>Nice idea about an extra lane on the suspended pathway too.</p>
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		<title>By: eccles</title>
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		<dc:creator>eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zed: Even I might be more inclined to use the underpass there if i didn&#039;t have to do the stupid loop thing straight after it.. as it stands i almost always go to the pedestrian lights and have a little rest while waiting for them to change.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zed: Even I might be more inclined to use the underpass there if i didn&#8217;t have to do the stupid loop thing straight after it.. as it stands i almost always go to the pedestrian lights and have a little rest while waiting for them to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Treadly&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Got the latest Boroondara Gardiner Ward &quot;News Update&quot;. Besides trying to convince us that the Gardiner Creek gap master plan is a good idea, which it isn&#039;t, it also mentioned this:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&#039; &quot;Council is also pressing the State Government and Transurban to build a bridge under the freeway before Glenferrie Rd&quot;, said Cr Ross.&#039;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I understand it, the bridge would be located to the east of Glenferrie Rd, where the current tollway project office is located. So travelling towards the CBD you cross from the north side of the creek to the south side of the creek on the new bridge and then west on the smaller existing path and down and under Glenferrie Rd.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This would:
1) stops suicidal dashes across Glenferrie Rd against the pedestrian red lights
2) removes the existing dog leg and conflict with pedestrians going from the station to the Melb Uni Hawthorn campus
3) riders unfamiliar with the area won&#039;t get lost at the dog leg
4) speed up the CBD trip&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So the bridge looks like a good idea that should be promoted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While we&#039;re adding lanes to the tollway, why not add in an extra bike lane under the tollway? The existing one is far too narrow and highly trafficked with cyclists (one every 30 seconds) plus just as many joggers and walkers who would also benefit.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Zed&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Treadly</p>

<p>Got the latest Boroondara Gardiner Ward &#8220;News Update&#8221;. Besides trying to convince us that the Gardiner Creek gap master plan is a good idea, which it isn&#8217;t, it also mentioned this:</p>

<p>&#8216; &#8220;Council is also pressing the State Government and Transurban to build a bridge under the freeway before Glenferrie Rd&#8221;, said Cr Ross.&#8217;</p>

<p>As I understand it, the bridge would be located to the east of Glenferrie Rd, where the current tollway project office is located. So travelling towards the CBD you cross from the north side of the creek to the south side of the creek on the new bridge and then west on the smaller existing path and down and under Glenferrie Rd.</p>

<p>This would:
1) stops suicidal dashes across Glenferrie Rd against the pedestrian red lights
2) removes the existing dog leg and conflict with pedestrians going from the station to the Melb Uni Hawthorn campus
3) riders unfamiliar with the area won&#8217;t get lost at the dog leg
4) speed up the CBD trip</p>

<p>So the bridge looks like a good idea that should be promoted.</p>

<p>While we&#8217;re adding lanes to the tollway, why not add in an extra bike lane under the tollway? The existing one is far too narrow and highly trafficked with cyclists (one every 30 seconds) plus just as many joggers and walkers who would also benefit.</p>

<p>Zed</p>
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