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	<title>Comments on: Scratching the surface of bike paths</title>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/10/07/scratching-the-surface-of-bike-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-1004</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wondered whether I should mention the asphalt-with-concrete-edges as a separate entry.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/assets/dorothy-laver-after-after.jpg&quot; title=&quot;Boroondara-style bike path: asphalt with concrete edges&quot; /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I call these as &quot;Boorondara-style&quot; bike paths because that&#039;s the only place I&#039;ve seen them for any great length (which probably just reflects my limited travels). The drawback on these is that you can still get that nasty drop-off at the edges, but where I&#039;ve seen them recently installed they are generally pretty good. I think it is also a promising indication that a council laying such paths is serious about building and maintaining good paths.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s true that one of the problems with concrete paths (especially older ones) is that they can sometimes be laid at the same width as a standard footpath on the street, which is not nearly wide enough.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with eccles about the Scotchman&#039;s Creek trail&#8212;I&#039;ve started avoiding that stretch too. But I don&#039;t share that prediction on the Yarra Trail&#8212;having ridden the section between St Kev&#039;s and MacRobertsons Bridge while it was &lt;a href=&quot;/2006/07/07/hot-bitch-on-yarra-trail/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being relaid&lt;/a&gt;, I can say that to my unqualified eye it looked very much like a road being laid: it was excavated to allow for proper foundations and several layers of bitumen were poured. This doesn&#039;t mean it won&#039;t eventually crack, but I think it will be a long time before that particular path will be described as &quot;lumpy&quot;. (And let&#039;s not forget what it was like before!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered whether I should mention the asphalt-with-concrete-edges as a separate entry.</p>

<p><img src="/assets/dorothy-laver-after-after.jpg" title="Boroondara-style bike path: asphalt with concrete edges" /></p>

<p>I call these as &#8220;Boorondara-style&#8221; bike paths because that&#8217;s the only place I&#8217;ve seen them for any great length (which probably just reflects my limited travels). The drawback on these is that you can still get that nasty drop-off at the edges, but where I&#8217;ve seen them recently installed they are generally pretty good. I think it is also a promising indication that a council laying such paths is serious about building and maintaining good paths.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s true that one of the problems with concrete paths (especially older ones) is that they can sometimes be laid at the same width as a standard footpath on the street, which is not nearly wide enough.</p>

<p>I agree with eccles about the Scotchman&#8217;s Creek trail&mdash;I&#8217;ve started avoiding that stretch too. But I don&#8217;t share that prediction on the Yarra Trail&mdash;having ridden the section between St Kev&#8217;s and MacRobertsons Bridge while it was <a href="/2006/07/07/hot-bitch-on-yarra-trail/" rel="nofollow">being relaid</a>, I can say that to my unqualified eye it looked very much like a road being laid: it was excavated to allow for proper foundations and several layers of bitumen were poured. This doesn&#8217;t mean it won&#8217;t eventually crack, but I think it will be a long time before that particular path will be described as &#8220;lumpy&#8221;. (And let&#8217;s not forget what it was like before!)</p>
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		<title>By: eccles</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ashphalt is also cheaper than concrete.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, my preferred option is concrete. I find asphalt slowly warps, leaving you with bumps and dips that just seem to kill all your forward momentum. It also seems to do this within a year. I&#039;m betting the new tracks along Yarra Boulevard are just as crap as the old ones within a year or two, and I&#039;ll ride up and down hills and along peak hour roads rather than along the bits of Scotchman&#039;s creek between Oakleigh and Mt Waverley.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whereas concrete often breaks in a single spot, leaving you with one bump rather than 10 small ones. It seems to last longer,  with less overall wear.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashphalt is also cheaper than concrete.</p>

<p>However, my preferred option is concrete. I find asphalt slowly warps, leaving you with bumps and dips that just seem to kill all your forward momentum. It also seems to do this within a year. I&#8217;m betting the new tracks along Yarra Boulevard are just as crap as the old ones within a year or two, and I&#8217;ll ride up and down hills and along peak hour roads rather than along the bits of Scotchman&#8217;s creek between Oakleigh and Mt Waverley.</p>

<p>Whereas concrete often breaks in a single spot, leaving you with one bump rather than 10 small ones. It seems to last longer,  with less overall wear.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mine would probably be asphalt with concrete edges.  From what I saw when they were redoing a section of the outer circle the edges themselves are around 40cm deep so you can be sure that the path is nice and stable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although gravel can be good, it is my least favourite as it can go bad really quickly.  One time I rode down the Maribyrnong River was a week or two after a lot of rain, it ranged between jarring over large rocks to very soft drifts of sand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, I can think of a narrow concrete path and that is the upper section of the Plenty River trail which is only about a metre wide.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine would probably be asphalt with concrete edges.  From what I saw when they were redoing a section of the outer circle the edges themselves are around 40cm deep so you can be sure that the path is nice and stable.</p>

<p>Although gravel can be good, it is my least favourite as it can go bad really quickly.  One time I rode down the Maribyrnong River was a week or two after a lot of rain, it ranged between jarring over large rocks to very soft drifts of sand.</p>

<p>Also, I can think of a narrow concrete path and that is the upper section of the Plenty River trail which is only about a metre wide.</p>
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