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	<title>Comments on: Ban the Hell Ride</title>
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	<description>Work is just something I do between bike rides</description>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/07/28/ban-the-hell-ride/comment-page-1/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 05:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/28/1990746.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;/assets/hell-ride-runs-red-or-not.jpg&quot; class=&quot;alignright&quot; title=&quot;The Hell Ride STOPPING at a red light&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I presume Rob means &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/28/1990746.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this  ABC News article&lt;/a&gt; and photo.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I&#039;d noticed this also used in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/26/1989114.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous article&lt;/a&gt;  with a similar caption and it struck me as odd on a few counts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p style=&quot;clear: both&quot;&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;dt&gt;Why is there a clear gap between the riders at the red light and those in the intersection?&lt;/dt&gt;
&lt;dd&gt;Because the riders at the lights are slowing to a stop while the continuing riders are clearing the intersection.&lt;/dd&gt;

&lt;dt&gt;Why are a number of riders sitting upright, not in a hunched &#039;racing&#039; position?&lt;/dt&gt;
&lt;dd&gt;Because they are stopping.&lt;/dd&gt;

&lt;dt&gt;Conclusion?&lt;/dt&gt;
&lt;dd&gt;This photo does &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; show the Hell Ride running a red light.&lt;/dd&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not pretending that some riders on the Hell Ride haven&#039;t run red lights and for all I know some still do. The point is this photo is not evidence that do. In fact you can only prove that with video or a suitable &lt;em&gt;sequence&lt;/em&gt; of photos.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And I will be very keen to hear how Dr Reid responds to Rob&#039;s enquiry. I doubt that there is any empirical reseach on this topic.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/28/1990746.htm" rel="nofollow"><img src="/assets/hell-ride-runs-red-or-not.jpg" class="alignright" title="The Hell Ride STOPPING at a red light" /></a></p>

<p>I presume Rob means <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/28/1990746.htm" rel="nofollow">this  ABC News article</a> and photo.</p>

<p>Yeah, I&#8217;d noticed this also used in a <a href="http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/26/1989114.htm" rel="nofollow">previous article</a>  with a similar caption and it struck me as odd on a few counts.</p>

<p style="clear: both">&nbsp;</p>

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<dt>Why is there a clear gap between the riders at the red light and those in the intersection?</dt>
<dd>Because the riders at the lights are slowing to a stop while the continuing riders are clearing the intersection.</dd>

<dt>Why are a number of riders sitting upright, not in a hunched &#8216;racing&#8217; position?</dt>
<dd>Because they are stopping.</dd>

<dt>Conclusion?</dt>
<dd>This photo does <em>not</em> show the Hell Ride running a red light.</dd>
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<p>I&#8217;m not pretending that some riders on the Hell Ride haven&#8217;t run red lights and for all I know some still do. The point is this photo is not evidence that do. In fact you can only prove that with video or a suitable <em>sequence</em> of photos.</p>

<p>And I will be very keen to hear how Dr Reid responds to Rob&#8217;s enquiry. I doubt that there is any empirical reseach on this topic.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 02:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well said, couldn&#039;t agree more, and I go further to question what research Dr John has to support his claim that his thesis applies to this case. On the evidence it was a failure by a rider to accept his responsibility to observe road laws, it will be his defence that he was &quot;between a rock and a hard place&quot;..I don&#039;t accept that, so I disqualify my self as his trial juror already... Every road user has to accept responsibility for actions they take. A rider in a group is no different to a commuting line of traffic racing to get to work...if they are distracted ( by coffee, the blonde in the next car etc) they have an accident and pay the price... James Gould didn&#039;t have to die, neither did Amy Gillett, Luke Harrop, Allan Scott Matty Cole, Russel Mockridge, Scott Peoples, Ian Humphrey and countless others at the hands of distracted or angry or tired or substance abused motorists....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://robbieroo.blogspot.com/2007/07/letter-to-dr-john-reid.html#links&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I called on Dr John to explain &lt;/a&gt;his thesis and the ABC news article today. I&#039;ll let all know if he does.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Meantime, when will the media get it right and stop misleading us, even the ABC news photo accompanying Dr John&#039;s article claimed it was riders going through a red light, examination shows the riders behind the red light have stopped and those ahead of the red light are leaving the intersection as required by law... enough already... embellishment is one thing, lying is another... thank heavens for Blogs, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.twitter.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt; and the Internerd.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said, couldn&#8217;t agree more, and I go further to question what research Dr John has to support his claim that his thesis applies to this case. On the evidence it was a failure by a rider to accept his responsibility to observe road laws, it will be his defence that he was &#8220;between a rock and a hard place&#8221;..I don&#8217;t accept that, so I disqualify my self as his trial juror already&#8230; Every road user has to accept responsibility for actions they take. A rider in a group is no different to a commuting line of traffic racing to get to work&#8230;if they are distracted ( by coffee, the blonde in the next car etc) they have an accident and pay the price&#8230; James Gould didn&#8217;t have to die, neither did Amy Gillett, Luke Harrop, Allan Scott Matty Cole, Russel Mockridge, Scott Peoples, Ian Humphrey and countless others at the hands of distracted or angry or tired or substance abused motorists&#8230;.</p>

<p><a href="http://robbieroo.blogspot.com/2007/07/letter-to-dr-john-reid.html#links" rel="nofollow">I called on Dr John to explain </a>his thesis and the ABC news article today. I&#8217;ll let all know if he does.</p>

<p>Meantime, when will the media get it right and stop misleading us, even the ABC news photo accompanying Dr John&#8217;s article claimed it was riders going through a red light, examination shows the riders behind the red light have stopped and those ahead of the red light are leaving the intersection as required by law&#8230; enough already&#8230; embellishment is one thing, lying is another&#8230; thank heavens for Blogs, <a href="http://www.twitter.com" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a> and the Internerd.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/07/28/ban-the-hell-ride/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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