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	<title>Comments on: Daft Master Plan for Gardiners Creek</title>
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		<title>By: Zed</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/06/18/draft-master-plan-for-gardiners-creek/comment-page-1/#comment-822</link>
		<dc:creator>Zed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well the plans have completely disappeared off both council&#039;s sites. If you have a copy please let me know. Currently Boroondara council is being pressured by the local dog walkers to align the path parallel to the road starting near the intersection of Victory Blvd and Sunderland Rd. I think this is an off leash area, so I can see their concerns.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Looks like that neither the dog walkers or the cyclists want the path as suggested. Everybody would prefer it to be somewhere on the south side of the creek. As the Boroondara Draft Bicycle Strategy is open to public comment at the moment, might be worthwhile letting them know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also suggest Boroondara CC forward on all comments re the gap, on to Stonington CC, as they are the ones that need to be doing something.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile Stonington CC recommend Stonington residents &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stonnington.vic.gov.au/www/html/1510-waste-transfer-station.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dump their garbage&lt;/a&gt; in Boroondara. I&#039;m sure Boroondara residents are happy to help out. However, it would be also nice if Stonington council helped Boroondara, by being neighbourly and taking note of what Boroondara residents are saying: Build the path on the south side of the creek.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would also like to know where the golf course at Gardiners Creek gets its water - pumped out of the creek? Because there is at least one in Boroondara that used to (permit lapsed in abt. year 2000) and maybe still does; given $1600,000 is allocated in this fin. years budget for a new pump. If any golf courses still pumps from our streams and rivers, I sure hope they have platypus filters on the intakes, especially re some of the spurious comments made in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.melbourneleader.com.au/article/2007/10/09/23534_ppv_news.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;local press&lt;/a&gt; re: the Darebin Creek / Main Yarra Trail bridge development and platypuses. By the way it is probable (not proven), that the Manuela Cifra referred to, works for the Herald Sun.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the plans have completely disappeared off both council&#8217;s sites. If you have a copy please let me know. Currently Boroondara council is being pressured by the local dog walkers to align the path parallel to the road starting near the intersection of Victory Blvd and Sunderland Rd. I think this is an off leash area, so I can see their concerns.</p>

<p>Looks like that neither the dog walkers or the cyclists want the path as suggested. Everybody would prefer it to be somewhere on the south side of the creek. As the Boroondara Draft Bicycle Strategy is open to public comment at the moment, might be worthwhile letting them know.</p>

<p>Also suggest Boroondara CC forward on all comments re the gap, on to Stonington CC, as they are the ones that need to be doing something.</p>

<p>Meanwhile Stonington CC recommend Stonington residents <a href="http://www.stonnington.vic.gov.au/www/html/1510-waste-transfer-station.asp" rel="nofollow">dump their garbage</a> in Boroondara. I&#8217;m sure Boroondara residents are happy to help out. However, it would be also nice if Stonington council helped Boroondara, by being neighbourly and taking note of what Boroondara residents are saying: Build the path on the south side of the creek.</p>

<p>I would also like to know where the golf course at Gardiners Creek gets its water &#8211; pumped out of the creek? Because there is at least one in Boroondara that used to (permit lapsed in abt. year 2000) and maybe still does; given $1600,000 is allocated in this fin. years budget for a new pump. If any golf courses still pumps from our streams and rivers, I sure hope they have platypus filters on the intakes, especially re some of the spurious comments made in the <a href="http://www.melbourneleader.com.au/article/2007/10/09/23534_ppv_news.html" rel="nofollow">local press</a> re: the Darebin Creek / Main Yarra Trail bridge development and platypuses. By the way it is probable (not proven), that the Manuela Cifra referred to, works for the Herald Sun.</p>
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		<title>By: eccles</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/06/18/draft-master-plan-for-gardiners-creek/comment-page-1/#comment-821</link>
		<dc:creator>eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Y eah, the flood argument is a bit strange - given that the whole path runs along creeks, its a bit bogus. My concern with alongside the creek is more about the fact that they will almost certainly use sodding ashphalt, and in two or three years, it&#039;ll sag and bend, making it as bad as the path further along Scotchman&#039;s creek.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y eah, the flood argument is a bit strange &#8211; given that the whole path runs along creeks, its a bit bogus. My concern with alongside the creek is more about the fact that they will almost certainly use sodding ashphalt, and in two or three years, it&#8217;ll sag and bend, making it as bad as the path further along Scotchman&#8217;s creek.</p>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/06/18/draft-master-plan-for-gardiners-creek/comment-page-1/#comment-820</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ideal and most obvious route &lt;a href=&quot;/2006/07/13/missing-link-on-gardiners-creek/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;isn&#039;t going to happen&lt;/a&gt; and I reckon it was never on the table. The arguments raised against a route going through the golf course are lame and implausible. Apparently the area is flood prone&#8212;but practically the whole damn trail downstream of Warrigal Rd is subject to inundation. It just doesn&#039;t ring true to me and never has.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideal and most obvious route <a href="/2006/07/13/missing-link-on-gardiners-creek/" rel="nofollow">isn&#8217;t going to happen</a> and I reckon it was never on the table. The arguments raised against a route going through the golf course are lame and implausible. Apparently the area is flood prone&mdash;but practically the whole damn trail downstream of Warrigal Rd is subject to inundation. It just doesn&#8217;t ring true to me and never has.</p>
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		<title>By: eccles</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/06/18/draft-master-plan-for-gardiners-creek/comment-page-1/#comment-819</link>
		<dc:creator>eccles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its not &lt;em&gt;quite&lt;/em&gt; as retarded as it might seem. The only part that makes me go &quot;what??&quot; is the idea that people will ride up to the Anniversary train on top of a huge train embankment rather than just riding along the roads parallel on the east side.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ideally, I&#039;d probably suggest running a path along the south side of the golf course (from the exising path that crosses the freeway and rail at East Malvern) and out via the clubhouse rather than going up into suburbs on the other side. Away from the creek is not a bad idea, and I&#039;m not too sure that the golf course is using the space up against the fences along the freeway. It would mean safety fences, but its going to cost money regardless.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure what the master plan as it stands expects to gain compared to crossing the pedestrian bridge and riding along the south side of the railway anyway....  (other than no blind corners)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not <em>quite</em> as retarded as it might seem. The only part that makes me go &#8220;what??&#8221; is the idea that people will ride up to the Anniversary train on top of a huge train embankment rather than just riding along the roads parallel on the east side.</p>

<p>Ideally, I&#8217;d probably suggest running a path along the south side of the golf course (from the exising path that crosses the freeway and rail at East Malvern) and out via the clubhouse rather than going up into suburbs on the other side. Away from the creek is not a bad idea, and I&#8217;m not too sure that the golf course is using the space up against the fences along the freeway. It would mean safety fences, but its going to cost money regardless.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the master plan as it stands expects to gain compared to crossing the pedestrian bridge and riding along the south side of the railway anyway&#8230;.  (other than no blind corners)</p>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That is such a brilliant idea&#8212;at least cyclists would know how to layout a decent bike lane (not some of the door-zone deathtraps that I can think of).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is such a brilliant idea&mdash;at least cyclists would know how to layout a decent bike lane (not some of the door-zone deathtraps that I can think of).</p>
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