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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/04/19/mobile-phones-and-the-dickhead-count/comment-page-1/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s good to see another thoughtful response from Chris. In fact, as this post reflects a &lt;a href=&quot;http://life-cycle.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-this-what-we-really-want.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;view he has expressed before&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;d have been a bit miffed if he &lt;em&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have something to say!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll leave most of his comment to stand on its merits but I must expand on the &quot;one reflects on all&quot; thing. Of course I don&#039;t believe that one &lt;em&gt;single&lt;/em&gt; action by one &lt;em&gt;single&lt;/em&gt; cyclist is going to change anyone&#039;s opinion. Quite the reverse: it only serves to reinforce people&#039;s existing biases when they see cyclists breaking the road rules or even riding within the rules in a way that &quot;inconveniences&quot; them (on some things you can&#039;t win, even when you&#039;re doing the right thing). There&#039;s a cumulative effect at play here, combined with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;confirmation bias&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s somewhat pointless to rail against this effect, because basically everyone does this sort of thing about something or other (which supports Chris&#039;s point about changing people&#039;s attitudes).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But there&#039;s a way in which this effect is insidious: it can lead to a view that the rightful position of cyclists on the road is &lt;em&gt;contingent&lt;/em&gt; on the good behaviour of each individual cyclist. This is bollocks. If the rights of a group depended on all members behaving faultlessly, then it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;drivers&lt;/em&gt; who would have less claim to the road: I need only point to things like drink driving, and the normalisation of speeding and &lt;a href=&quot;/2007/04/09/get-off-that-phone-driver/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;distracted driving&lt;/a&gt; to support this line of argument. And it&#039;s still bollocks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But unfortunately you do sometimes hear cyclists buy into it, expressing views that sound like &quot;let&#039;s all be good little cyclists, so the big nasty motorists won&#039;t hurt us&quot;. This, too, is bollocks. However, there is one possible exception to all this bollocky&#8212;but I think I&#039;ll need to work up a separate post to explain it&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to see another thoughtful response from Chris. In fact, as this post reflects a <a href="http://life-cycle.blogspot.com/2006/10/is-this-what-we-really-want.html" rel="nofollow">view he has expressed before</a>, I&#8217;d have been a bit miffed if he <em>didn&#8217;t</em> have something to say!</p>

<p>I&#8217;ll leave most of his comment to stand on its merits but I must expand on the &#8220;one reflects on all&#8221; thing. Of course I don&#8217;t believe that one <em>single</em> action by one <em>single</em> cyclist is going to change anyone&#8217;s opinion. Quite the reverse: it only serves to reinforce people&#8217;s existing biases when they see cyclists breaking the road rules or even riding within the rules in a way that &#8220;inconveniences&#8221; them (on some things you can&#8217;t win, even when you&#8217;re doing the right thing). There&#8217;s a cumulative effect at play here, combined with a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias" rel="nofollow">confirmation bias</a>. It&#8217;s somewhat pointless to rail against this effect, because basically everyone does this sort of thing about something or other (which supports Chris&#8217;s point about changing people&#8217;s attitudes).</p>

<p>But there&#8217;s a way in which this effect is insidious: it can lead to a view that the rightful position of cyclists on the road is <em>contingent</em> on the good behaviour of each individual cyclist. This is bollocks. If the rights of a group depended on all members behaving faultlessly, then it&#8217;s <em>drivers</em> who would have less claim to the road: I need only point to things like drink driving, and the normalisation of speeding and <a href="/2007/04/09/get-off-that-phone-driver/" rel="nofollow">distracted driving</a> to support this line of argument. And it&#8217;s still bollocks.</p>

<p>But unfortunately you do sometimes hear cyclists buy into it, expressing views that sound like &#8220;let&#8217;s all be good little cyclists, so the big nasty motorists won&#8217;t hurt us&#8221;. This, too, is bollocks. However, there is one possible exception to all this bollocky&mdash;but I think I&#8217;ll need to work up a separate post to explain it&hellip;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/04/19/mobile-phones-and-the-dickhead-count/comment-page-1/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 02:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a well-known fact that popularity will always attract dickheads.  An activity practiced by only a very small minority of people will only attract people with a genuine interest in that activity.  If it gains popularity, it will probably also gain people who join for the &quot;Kewl, man&quot; factor and think that legal riding doesn&#039;t apply to them.  It&#039;s one of the reasons I have some serious reservations about simply trying to convince people to take up cycling without giving them some serious training first.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It will become a problem if a few of them throw themselves under cars and legislators enact bans on cycling on certain roads because &quot;it&#039;s too dangerous&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That said, I don&#039;t subscribe to the argument that &quot;one bad cyclist reflects on us all&quot;.  That effectively says that one single three-second interaction is going to change the life-long perceptions of an observer, which is akin to a tadpole changing the direction in which a whale is swimming -- it just doesn&#039;t happen.  If you don&#039;t believe me, try changing your own fundamental beliefs about a community group or issue and see just how much time and discipline that takes.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The &quot;one reflects on all&quot; argument is just a way in which people with pre-conceived bigotry against cyclists try to justify their beliefs to others (the old &quot;he made me do it&quot; line).  Where it becomes dangerous is when you get police and judges subscribing to it, and excusing drivers for violent/abusive behaviour on the basis that it &quot;isn&#039;t really their fault&quot;.  If anyone is serious about promoting safety for cyclists, this perception needs to be stamped out.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a well-known fact that popularity will always attract dickheads.  An activity practiced by only a very small minority of people will only attract people with a genuine interest in that activity.  If it gains popularity, it will probably also gain people who join for the &#8220;Kewl, man&#8221; factor and think that legal riding doesn&#8217;t apply to them.  It&#8217;s one of the reasons I have some serious reservations about simply trying to convince people to take up cycling without giving them some serious training first.</p>

<p>It will become a problem if a few of them throw themselves under cars and legislators enact bans on cycling on certain roads because &#8220;it&#8217;s too dangerous&#8221;.</p>

<p>That said, I don&#8217;t subscribe to the argument that &#8220;one bad cyclist reflects on us all&#8221;.  That effectively says that one single three-second interaction is going to change the life-long perceptions of an observer, which is akin to a tadpole changing the direction in which a whale is swimming &#8212; it just doesn&#8217;t happen.  If you don&#8217;t believe me, try changing your own fundamental beliefs about a community group or issue and see just how much time and discipline that takes.</p>

<p>The &#8220;one reflects on all&#8221; argument is just a way in which people with pre-conceived bigotry against cyclists try to justify their beliefs to others (the old &#8220;he made me do it&#8221; line).  Where it becomes dangerous is when you get police and judges subscribing to it, and excusing drivers for violent/abusive behaviour on the basis that it &#8220;isn&#8217;t really their fault&#8221;.  If anyone is serious about promoting safety for cyclists, this perception needs to be stamped out.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/04/19/mobile-phones-and-the-dickhead-count/comment-page-1/#comment-694</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 08:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Part_11_Part_21.pdf#page=16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;road rules&lt;/a&gt; state:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;The rider of a bicycle must not ride past, or overtake, to the left of a vehicle that is turning left and is giving a left change of direction signal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So the kind of stupidity Stu mentions is unquestionably illegal, but I can&#039;t quite get as upset about it because the only person likely to go bouncing across a car bonnet is the idiot him/herself. Injury to other people is unlikely, although damage to property is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, I take Stu&#039;s point about the actions of one reflecting on all cyclists and I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;/2006/08/31/james-gould/#why-public-opinion-matters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;touched on this before&lt;/a&gt; in a slightly different context. So in this regard that sort of thing is just as bad, if not worse than careless phone usage.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While I&#039;m thumbing the rule book, mobile phone usage by cyclists &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Part_11_Part_21.pdf#page=157&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is definitely illegal&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;The driver of a vehicle&#8230;must not use a mobile phone that the driver is holding in his or her hand while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Intro_Part_10.pdf#page=30&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bearing in mind&lt;/a&gt; that:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;Unless otherwise expressly stated in the Australian Road Rules, each reference in the Rules&#8230;to a driver includes a reference to a rider, and each reference in the Rules&#8230;to driving includes a reference to riding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And as no specific exemptions are made, I assume that the rule about use of mobile phones applies equally to bike paths as it does to roads.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Part_11_Part_21.pdf#page=16" rel="nofollow">road rules</a> state:</p>

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  <p>The rider of a bicycle must not ride past, or overtake, to the left of a vehicle that is turning left and is giving a left change of direction signal.</p>
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<p>So the kind of stupidity Stu mentions is unquestionably illegal, but I can&#8217;t quite get as upset about it because the only person likely to go bouncing across a car bonnet is the idiot him/herself. Injury to other people is unlikely, although damage to property is.</p>

<p>However, I take Stu&#8217;s point about the actions of one reflecting on all cyclists and I&#8217;ve <a href="/2006/08/31/james-gould/#why-public-opinion-matters" rel="nofollow">touched on this before</a> in a slightly different context. So in this regard that sort of thing is just as bad, if not worse than careless phone usage.</p>

<p>While I&#8217;m thumbing the rule book, mobile phone usage by cyclists <a href="http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Part_11_Part_21.pdf#page=157" rel="nofollow">is definitely illegal</a>:</p>

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  <p>The driver of a vehicle&hellip;must not use a mobile phone that the driver is holding in his or her hand while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked&hellip;</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/general/ARR06_Intro_Part_10.pdf#page=30" rel="nofollow">Bearing in mind</a> that:</p>

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  <p>Unless otherwise expressly stated in the Australian Road Rules, each reference in the Rules&hellip;to a driver includes a reference to a rider, and each reference in the Rules&hellip;to driving includes a reference to riding.</p>
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<p>And as no specific exemptions are made, I assume that the rule about use of mobile phones applies equally to bike paths as it does to roads.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Spinopsys</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/04/19/mobile-phones-and-the-dickhead-count/comment-page-1/#comment-693</link>
		<dc:creator>Spinopsys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] According to Treadly I&#8217;m a dickhead. I recently got a new Blackberry mobile device so that shoe does fit, and have started using it to take some shots while out riding and then uploading them to my Tumblr clippings blog because I love the idea of the immediacy in that kind of social media, so I&#8217;m hooked on that feature. And yes, I have talked on the phone while riding once. I promise I won&#8217;t do it again. I offer last night’s incident as an example: trundling home in the dark on the Yarra Trail I spot a cyclist ahead weaving all over the track, his riding impaired by holding a phone to the side of his head. Now I wouldn’t really give a damn about this—after all he’s only likely to hurt himself—except that he totally failed to see an approaching cyclist, even though I had no problem seeing him from 20m further back. The approaching rider had to ring his bell and swerve to pass safely. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] According to Treadly I&#8217;m a dickhead. I recently got a new Blackberry mobile device so that shoe does fit, and have started using it to take some shots while out riding and then uploading them to my Tumblr clippings blog because I love the idea of the immediacy in that kind of social media, so I&#8217;m hooked on that feature. And yes, I have talked on the phone while riding once. I promise I won&#8217;t do it again. I offer last night’s incident as an example: trundling home in the dark on the Yarra Trail I spot a cyclist ahead weaving all over the track, his riding impaired by holding a phone to the side of his head. Now I wouldn’t really give a damn about this—after all he’s only likely to hurt himself—except that he totally failed to see an approaching cyclist, even though I had no problem seeing him from 20m further back. The approaching rider had to ring his bell and swerve to pass safely. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2007/04/19/mobile-phones-and-the-dickhead-count/comment-page-1/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the topic of dickhead cyclists, a couple of days ago I came up to a busy intersection as the lights were about to change to green in my direction, so I lined up behind the row of cars turning left rather than moving through the traffic to the front. Meanwhile another cyclist flies past on my left to overtake the 3 cars which were turning left, on the inside. He makes it through the intersection, and I after I pass through following the cars, I see him speeding down the slope on the other side and overtaking another car on the left as it is turning into a driveway!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Last night, I was riding home and copped a load of anit-bike abuse from a carload of idiots ... can you see how these things are related?
Actually, to be fair these guys seemed to equate cycling with homosexuality and felt that this was sufficient reason to shout abuse at a stranger ... so all their problems clearly can&#039;t be put down to a traumatic encounter with a reckless cyclist in their past.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But still, the behavior of the likes of mr-overtake-on -the-left described above hardly help the cause of cyclists sharing the road.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of dickhead cyclists, a couple of days ago I came up to a busy intersection as the lights were about to change to green in my direction, so I lined up behind the row of cars turning left rather than moving through the traffic to the front. Meanwhile another cyclist flies past on my left to overtake the 3 cars which were turning left, on the inside. He makes it through the intersection, and I after I pass through following the cars, I see him speeding down the slope on the other side and overtaking another car on the left as it is turning into a driveway!</p>

<p>Last night, I was riding home and copped a load of anit-bike abuse from a carload of idiots &#8230; can you see how these things are related?
Actually, to be fair these guys seemed to equate cycling with homosexuality and felt that this was sufficient reason to shout abuse at a stranger &#8230; so all their problems clearly can&#8217;t be put down to a traumatic encounter with a reckless cyclist in their past.</p>

<p>But still, the behavior of the likes of mr-overtake-on -the-left described above hardly help the cause of cyclists sharing the road.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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