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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2006/06/16/nigel-havers-really-hates-me/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When any group of people reaches a certain size, there will always be dickheads and cretins among the numbers. This doesn&#039;t mean that &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; in that group is a dickhead or a cretin. And that&#039;s the nub of my objection to Nigel Havers&#039; views: he sees bad behaviour in some riders and then lumps all cyclists in together. That defies logic. Take this segment from his rant for example:&lt;/p&gt;

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  &lt;p&gt;Normal rules about red lights, pavements and one-way streets are treated as a matter of supreme indifference by this new army of Lycra-clad maniacs, whose every action demonstrates their contempt for pedestrians and motorists.&lt;/p&gt;

  &lt;p&gt;I am heartily sick of the lot of them.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;A cyclist&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;every action&lt;/strong&gt; demonstrates their contempt for others? That&#039;s a big call.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Although I don&#039;t ride in London, I know some cyclists who do, and do so carefully and lawfully. &lt;a href=&quot;http://kimbofo.typepad.com/londoncyclingdiary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;kimbofo&lt;/a&gt; is a safety-conscious rider who sometimes bemoans the lack of discipline in other London cyclists. Does her &lt;strong&gt;every action&lt;/strong&gt; demonstrate her contempt for motorists and pedestrians?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And Havers is &quot;heartily sick&quot; of the lot of us cyclists&#8212;that&#039;s a bit all-inclusive, isn&#039;t it? It doesn&#039;t leave much room for the good guys who scrupulously do the right thing. Nope, cyclist=maniac in Nigel&#039;s mind.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s turn it around 180&#176;: daily on the road it is also possible to witness drivers and pedestrians doing reckless, stupid and selfish things. Nowhere in the media does anyone lambast &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; drivers or &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; pedestrians based on their subjective observation that &lt;em&gt;some&lt;/em&gt; of those people do the wrong thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s not about a holier-than-thou attitude (although Havers certainly doesn&#039;t mind a bit of sermonising himself), it&#039;s about being fair and reasonable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And don&#039;t get me started on the various ways that Havers suggests violence can be done to cyclists.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When any group of people reaches a certain size, there will always be dickheads and cretins among the numbers. This doesn&#8217;t mean that <em>everyone</em> in that group is a dickhead or a cretin. And that&#8217;s the nub of my objection to Nigel Havers&#8217; views: he sees bad behaviour in some riders and then lumps all cyclists in together. That defies logic. Take this segment from his rant for example:</p>

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  <p>Normal rules about red lights, pavements and one-way streets are treated as a matter of supreme indifference by this new army of Lycra-clad maniacs, whose every action demonstrates their contempt for pedestrians and motorists.</p>

  <p>I am heartily sick of the lot of them.</p>
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<p>A cyclist&#8217;s <strong>every action</strong> demonstrates their contempt for others? That&#8217;s a big call.</p>

<p>Although I don&#8217;t ride in London, I know some cyclists who do, and do so carefully and lawfully. <a href="http://kimbofo.typepad.com/londoncyclingdiary/" rel="nofollow">kimbofo</a> is a safety-conscious rider who sometimes bemoans the lack of discipline in other London cyclists. Does her <strong>every action</strong> demonstrate her contempt for motorists and pedestrians?</p>

<p>And Havers is &#8220;heartily sick&#8221; of the lot of us cyclists&mdash;that&#8217;s a bit all-inclusive, isn&#8217;t it? It doesn&#8217;t leave much room for the good guys who scrupulously do the right thing. Nope, cyclist=maniac in Nigel&#8217;s mind.</p>

<p>Let&#8217;s turn it around 180&deg;: daily on the road it is also possible to witness drivers and pedestrians doing reckless, stupid and selfish things. Nowhere in the media does anyone lambast <em>all</em> drivers or <em>all</em> pedestrians based on their subjective observation that <em>some</em> of those people do the wrong thing.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s not about a holier-than-thou attitude (although Havers certainly doesn&#8217;t mind a bit of sermonising himself), it&#8217;s about being fair and reasonable.</p>

<p>And don&#8217;t get me started on the various ways that Havers suggests violence can be done to cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha Mcmillan</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2006/06/16/nigel-havers-really-hates-me/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha Mcmillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i have to agree with Nigel, i have had so may problems with fellow cyclists, whom have shouted and sworn at me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am a cyclist and Paedestrian! not a car driver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also witnessed a half cut cyclist, who scratched a RR wedding car and swore at the driver. The car was Stationary in an assigned parking spot out side the registry office on a Saturday Morning!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sorry but bikers you&#039;ve got to get that Holier than thou  out of your voices!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have to agree with Nigel, i have had so may problems with fellow cyclists, whom have shouted and sworn at me.</p>

<p>I am a cyclist and Paedestrian! not a car driver.</p>

<p>I also witnessed a half cut cyclist, who scratched a RR wedding car and swore at the driver. The car was Stationary in an assigned parking spot out side the registry office on a Saturday Morning!</p>

<p>Sorry but bikers you&#8217;ve got to get that Holier than thou  out of your voices!</p>
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		<title>By: Treadly and Me</title>
		<link>http://treadly.net/2006/06/16/nigel-havers-really-hates-me/comment-page-1/#comment-193</link>
		<dc:creator>Treadly and Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jun 2006 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, it&#039;s funny how people who have something against cyclists all seem to be reading from the same song sheet&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s funny how people who have something against cyclists all seem to be reading from the same song sheet&hellip;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Has he been talking to Ms Devine by any chance??&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has he been talking to Ms Devine by any chance??</p>
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